Meet the Archaeologist Audio Tracks

Join members of the North Carolina Museum of Art’s Teen Arts Council (TAC) as they sit down with Dr. Caroline Rocheleau—the NCMA’s curator of ancient collections, archaeologist, and expert on the art and history of ancient Nubia and Egypt.

Welcome

ELISE: Hi! My name is Elise.

LOLA: I’m Lola.

GENEVIEVE: My name is Genevieve.

AUDREY: I’m Audrey.

ELISE: We’re members of the NCMA’s Teen Arts Council. Today, we’re sitting down with Nubiologist, archaeologist, and the NCMA’s curator of ancient collections, Dr. Caroline Rocheleau, to learn about the history behind our current exhibition, Ancient Nubia: Excavating Treasures of the Nile. Hi, Caroline!

CAROLINE: Hi, Elise. You are right. I am a Nubiologist, which means that I dig in present-day Sudan, where the bulk of Nubia is located. And I have dug at the sites of Meroe, Dangeil, and Sedeinga. I’ve also been at the museum, as the curator of ancient collections, for 15 years as the curator, but I started earlier than that. So I’ve been at the museum for 21 years. I started working in Nubia in year 2000, so even before I came to the museum in 2005. I’m so excited to be chatting with the teens today about Nubia. It’s really a love for me since almost when I was a kid.

Why Is Ancient Nubia Important?

LOLA: Although the historical region of Nubia—which spans across present-day south Egypt and Northern Sudan—and North Carolina are on opposite sides of the globe, this ancient civilization still remains relevant in the modern day. Caroline, we’d love to hear why you think that understanding ancient Nubia is important. What can we learn from this society and its people?

CAROLINE: I think the Kingdom of Kush is really important to know about. First off, it helps us understand the Nile Valley as an entity, not just the one kingdom that everybody knows about, ancient Egypt. There is a rival in the Nile Valley, and that’s the Kingdom of Kush. So it’s very important to know about this civilization.

One of the things that we noticed with this civilization is that they adopt and adapt ancient Egyptian funerary material culture, so they’re taking traditions, they’re taking objects. Like they’re building pyramids, for example. They’re taking ushabtis. But they are modifying them to suit their own purposes. So it’s not just “I’m getting this, and I’m using it as is.” It’s them using the object for their own purposes. So making it different from what the Egyptians were doing. So that’s very interesting.

When you see this on the archaeological record, when you’re digging things, you might think that the Kushites have been assimilated, they’re fully Egyptianized, if you will, and that’s not the case. For them, it’s a way to express power. If you can access that material from Egypt, from elsewhere, objects that are greatly valued, that is a symbol of power—who can trade, who has access to those goods. So that’s a way for them to express power, to have access to those objects and modify them for themselves.

But one of the very important things, despite the fact that they’re doing this, they never ever forget their roots, and this should be highlighted. And we all know about Egypt. Now it’s time for us to know about Kush.

Discover Kerma

GENEVIEVE: Today’s exhibition is organized in a timeline format, featuring the three main historical periods of the Kingdom of Kush. Each period is named after the capital of Kush at that time. The first section covers the city of Kerma. Caroline, what was the significance of Kerma within the history of the Kingdom of Kush?

CAROLINE: Kerma is actually really, really cool, and it is really significant, I think, because it is the first archaeologically attested ancient indigenous African kingdom other than Egypt. And we see the rise of Kerma in about 2500 BCE, so that’s like 4,000 years ago Kerma rises.

So they’re really organized. There’s a huge city with suburbs. There are huge cemeteries, and they’re really organized as a government, if you will, a central government. And the previous one we had was Egypt, so now we actually have that in a different part of the Nile Valley.

Kerma has fantastic ruins—big, huge mudbrick structures; huge graves, like enormous graves. So it really speaks to the expansion of this organized group in the area of the Third Cataract. Now, when you actually look at those monuments, when you’re on site digging, the material that you find is extremely different from what you have in Egypt. It is uncomparable, in a way.

But you do find Egyptian things in there, and that’s what confused some of the archaeologists early on. Why is this material there? Why is this Egyptian material culture in there? And we know now that it was Kerma raiding Egypt and coming home with war booty, and you find this material in the tombs because people were proud to have brought back these things with them, and that really attests to Kerma’s military power.

Material Treasures in Kerma

AUDREY: I understand that Kerma’s raids of Egypt returned with material treasures that were discovered in tombs of the wealthy. Those raids were also a display of Nubian power, correct?

CAROLINE: Yes, you are absolutely correct. Those raids into Egypt actually demonstrate the power of the Kingdom of Kerma. The Egyptians were actually quite wary of what was going down, down there in Nubia. They knew about them. They knew about the Kerma people. They knew about Kush. And they build forts at the Second Cataract to keep an eye on what’s going on, to keep trade networks flowing and things like this, but there was really this wariness—there’s powerful people who live up the river.

So, as you can imagine, at some point in time, the Egyptians retaliated, and they were not happy, and they could tell that Kush was becoming more powerful. And this actually ended up being an occupation, so Egypt occupied Nubia for 500 years.

Now, what’s important to note here is that the two civilizations exist in the same landscape, if you will, the Nile Valley, and it’s important to keep in mind that you have to have a balance of power. When one is powerful, the other one cannot also be powerful. It’s one or the other, and this changes through time.

Egyptian Occupation of Nubia

ELISE: What happened with the Egyptian occupation of Nubia? It seems like Egypt and Nubia took inspiration from and innovated off of the other. What exactly are the similarities between Egyptian and Nubian artifacts? How did these two nations adapt from one another?

CAROLINE: One of the things that we have with the occupation of Nubia is that the Egyptians are in Nubia. They’re doing their Egyptian things in Nubia. So some of the people there decided to—it’s like, “Oh yeah, sure, let’s do some more Egyptian things.” While other people decided to stay true to their roots and remain entirely Nubian. So it’s really a two-way street. There’s influences going both ways.

So, after the occupation, when the Egyptians left, we don’t really know what happened in Nubia. For about 300 years there’s a—it’s very difficult to understand what’s going on at that time. But there’s that balance of power again. Egypt is weak, and suddenly Kush rises, and you see the next period. And at that point, since Kerma was destroyed, they moved to another capital city at Napata, and these powerful kings actually become pharaohs of Egypt for about 100 years, which is amazing. And this is where they really adopt and adapt, that we talked about earlier, that material culture, those funerary traditions. They really go [makes swish noise] and, like, “Now we’re using that power; we’re as powerful as the people who made those things originally.” That’s a deliberate choice. They’re making that decision to express power, and it tells you who wields the power. It’s the royal family that does that in Kush.

Despite all this adoption and adaptation, the Nubian worldview and modes of cultural expression have remained unique. Even when they adapt, and adopt, and borrow things from Egypt, it becomes part of their culture as well.

Funerary Practices in Nubia

GENEVIEVE: We know that there are many funerary objects displayed in the exhibition that were excavated from tombs, with religious significance, often relating to rituals associated with death. How do Nubian funerary practices reflect different beliefs about the afterlife compared to Egypt?

CAROLINE: So, there are many examples of objects that were borrowed from ancient Egypt and adapted into Nubian funerary practices, and the ushabti is one of them.

So, what is an ushabti? Well, it’s a magic servant statuette. In this case, it could be made out of faience, it could be made out of stone. There are plenty in the exhibition made from these materials. And they vary in size, but they represent sort of a human that’s been mummified, so sort of a head sticking out on this mummified body. That’s an Egyptian tradition outright. They borrowed that, but it seems that they changed the use a little bit. Instead of putting those ushabtis in boxes, or in wooden boxes, or ceramic jars, instead they appear to be lined up against the wall of the tomb. You don’t see that in Egypt.

So perhaps their role is not as just a servant for the afterlife, someone who will do agricultural work and other duties in the afterlife. It seems to be more of a tomb guardian. So we have that. That’s slightly different from what we have in Egypt. And some scholars also think that they might have been used for a ritual that is conducted the night before the funeral. And it’s sort of this vigil. You’re standing on guard. And it is to protect the soul of the deceased leaving the body and moving into the afterlife. That’s a very dangerous moment, and that those guardians, those ushabtis, seem to play that role, to protect the person’s soul at that very precarious moment.

Royal Objects of Wealth and Status

LOLA: This exhibition is also in large part made up of artifacts belonging to royalty. How are these royal objects expressions of wealth and status? What materials and motifs were associated with power? Oh, Curator!

CAROLINE: Well, there was plenty of gold in Nubia, but some other materials, like silver, for example, were not available locally, either in Kush or Egypt, so that had to be imported from elsewhere. So the Kushite royals controlled access to those trade routes. The goods they’re bringing in become prestige items—raw material, fancy items coming into the country from all over the ancient world. And this actually helps them display their power because those goods are usually restricted to the royal family or the elite, really high elite. So these items that have been purchased from elsewhere have become symbols of their status, within their community.

Discover Meroe

AUDREY: The final area of the exhibition covers the last period of the Kingdom of Kush’s history, the one centered at the city of Meroe. Caroline, what was significant about Meroe?

CAROLINE: Meroe actually occupies a soft spot in my heart because that’s where I work, and I have to say, it’s a really fantastic archaeological site.

Meroe was actually the most powerful sub-Saharan city in Africa, like over 2,000 years ago, and it has its own unique culture and an extensive trade network that ran throughout Africa, the ancient Mediterranean, and the ancient Near East. Meroe was a center for art and architecture, and long before it became the capital of Kush, it was the most important iron production center in Africa.

During the Meroitic period, the Meroites, the Kushites, further distinguished themselves by inventing their own writing system, what we know as the Meroitic script. And for the first time, they are expressing their history themselves. Unfortunately, Meroitic is a language that we have deciphered, we know how to read it, but we don’t actually know many words, so it remains, unfortunately, silent to us.

Listen to a Dig Story

ELISE: Nobody knows Nubia like you do! In fact, we know you’ve spent time at the Royal City of Meroe and other Meroitic archaeological sites. Please tell us one of your dig stories!

CAROLINE: I have so many dig stories, I think I’m going to have to pick just one. I think the most exciting discovery for me, like finding something really exciting, that happened in 2008 at the site of Dangeil.

So, I was digging in the Amun Temple there. We had reached—almost reached the floor, and my workmen just signaled me, like, “Hey, there’s something here; it looks like a stone.” So, when that happened, you jump into the square with your brush, and there I was, brushing away this piece of dark granite. And it was something. It wasn’t just a stone. It was a carved stone, and it was a square or rectangular piece with feet on it. So that was very exciting.

So, of course, you have to inform the dig director to come and see what you discovered, and since we were at the bottom of the section, we were almost done with that section, we decided the next day to open the section next to it. So, starting at the top, working our way down, removing layers of sand, slowly but surely. And within two hours, I found another chunk of granite that turned out to be pretty big, and it was the body of a statue of King Taharqa.

Now, this was super exciting, on many levels, because it was the first time that these kinds of statues had been found this far south in Kush. Earlier statues had been discovered, oddly enough, by Reisner at Jebel Barkal when he was digging there. And then in 2003, at the site of Kerma, they had also found a pit with statues in it.

So, there we are, in Dangeil, and we’re finding the statues of the same kings that have been found at these two other places, and that was really awesome because these are some of the most famous Kushite kings. And Taharqa, I have to say, is my favorite.

ELISE: There’s no denying that that is an awesome story! If you’ve been inspired by Caroline’s experience, don’t miss your chance to lend your hand at excavation at the digital Dig Zone in the gallery, and maybe you’ll uncover a pair of stone feet too.

GENEVIEVE: Thank you so much for your answers, Caroline! Talking to you has helped us uncover a new level of depth to this complex exhibition. And to everybody who tuned in, we hope you now have a deeper understanding of ancient Nubia, and you are better able to connect with the art of the people that made up its history. Thank you for listening, and the NCMA hopes to see you again soon!